Title is the primary query, loosely an extension of a earlier query I might requested about Eldritch Knight/Wizard multiclass and their entry to spells.

From earlier query

From that publish and different analysis on-line my understanding is that spell slots and the flexibility to forged the spell are various things.

Spell slots are pretty straight ahead as specified by the multiclass part of the PHB and, moreover on p.164, this line appears to be the important thing for casting means (emphasis mine):

You identify what spells you already know and might put together for every class individually, as for those who have been a single classed member of that class.

Eldritch Knight has spells recognized and by the given instance of degree 9 can study and forged as much as 2nd degree spells primarily based on their desk. Wizards have their spell e-book from which they put together spells for the day and at 2nd degree their desk permits them to organize 1st degree spells. From this and taking the “put together for every class individually” actually it appears that evidently the spells recognized from EK could be at most 2nd degree and from the Wizard ranges at most 1st, so the reply to “can I forged third degree spells?” appears to be No.

The attainable exception

Now, the one level I might actually assume wants clarification is the truth that the Eldritch Knight makes use of the Wizards listing of spells to choose from for his or her spells recognized. I feel RAW the comparability is finally Fighter vs Wizard and thus clearly not the identical class however a case may actually be made that an Eldritch Knight would perceive the fundamentals of magic by ninth degree and it appears bizarre that they would not achieve spell ranges any sooner by taking ranges in Wizard. Actually, if this participant specifically at EK L9 needed to take ranges in Wizard to develop their spellcasting, which it actually would do as then they might put together from their e-book as properly, they would not get third degree spells till EK9/Wizard5. Eldritch Knight positive aspects third degree spells at 13th degree so, if that was the one aim, it is truly sooner to only hold leveling as an Eldritch Knight, needing solely Four extra ranges, fairly than taking 5 ranges of Wizard.

Related however considerably unanswered questions additionally from Stackexchange are:

• this one about Arcane Trickster 9/Wizard 2 which might be probably the most direct comparability because the Arcane Trickster has almost equivalent wording to the Eldritch Knight in that they pull from the Wizard spell listing (although EK relies on Evocation or Abjuration whereas AT relies on Phantasm and Enchantment).

• this query appears to be asking the identical query I’m not directly with their fundamental query being (emphasis mine):

Now, since in that peculiar case the spells are from the identical spellcasting class (the wizard), can I study spells of upper degree, for which I’ve spell slots, even when my single class degree couldn’t allow it?

Each of the above questions haven’t got a particular reply by the asker however each are marked as duplicates to a query clarifying multiclass guidelines for spellcasting. The reply to that query appears to be primarily based on the sooner quote from getting ready spells as a multiclass (right here once more for emphasis):

You identify what spells you already know and might put together for every class individually, as for those who have been a single classed member of that class.

The e-book provides the instance of a Ranger 4/Wizard three which clearly are completely different. The actual query then is that if an Eldritch Knight, or an Arcane Trickster by extension by the identical logic, multiclassing into Wizard are exceptions to the above rule since they already use the Wizard spell listing. Once more, my understanding is that the reply is No.

Ought to I enable it anyway?

Whereas I imagine the above is true… it is frankly form of lame. The participant in query agrees for apparent causes and I am making an attempt to assume what I can do about it with out making insane stability issues. If we go off the idea that the above is right then the L9 Eldritch Knight would want 5 ranges of Wizard (or Four extra if they only saved leveling as an EK). If I allowed ignoring the “as particular person courses” bit and as a substitute went with “you could have the spell slot you’ll be able to put together/study it” then I am successfully permitting third degree spell casting at half the wanted ranges and everybody is aware of third degree is the place the large leap in energy comes for spells. This looks like an enormous balancing challenge and causes all types of different issues if different characters attempt to use the identical logic and if I solely enable it for EK/Wizard or AT/Wizard multiclasses that is edging towards particular privileges for the participant. My solely actual counterpoint to that’s how weirdly properly Warlocks and Sorcerer’s are inclined to mesh collectively and, whereas RAW, appears like the same exception if a participant needed to play the notorious Sorlock.

My Conclusion

From the entire above the reply appears to be No (although personally that is simply kinda lame) and would identical to enter to verify I am studying the principles accurately.